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Roger Cain  
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 More options Jul 16, 10:39 pm
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From: "Roger Cain" <rogernos...@nospamrcain.plus.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:39:49 +0100
Local: Fri, Jul 16 2010 10:39 pm
Subject: Freecom Classic HDD
Works fine on one PC but doesn't spin up (just ticks) and is not recognised
on the other. The indicator LED flashes.

Anyone know what this is trying to tell me, please?


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Jeff Gaines  
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 More options Jul 16, 10:50 pm
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From: "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_new...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 16 Jul 2010 15:50:11 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 16 2010 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: Freecom Classic HDD
On 16/07/2010 in message

<6t6dnZn6cfbQ4N3RnZ2dnUVZ8iqdn...@brightview.co.uk> Roger Cain wrote:
>Works fine on one PC but doesn't spin up (just ticks) and is not
>recognised on the other. The indicator LED flashes.

>Anyone know what this is trying to tell me, please?

Is this powered by the USB cable or does it have its own power?

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Dean  
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 More options Jul 16, 10:51 pm
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From: Dean <d...@spamfree.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:51:04 +0100
Local: Fri, Jul 16 2010 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: Freecom Classic HDD

On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:39:49 +0100, Roger Cain wrote:
>Works fine on one PC but doesn't spin up (just ticks) and is not recognised
>on the other. The indicator LED flashes.

>Anyone know what this is trying to tell me, please?

If it is drawing its power solely from usb perhaps it isn't getting enough
juice from the second pc.  Is it attached to a front panel usb port?  If so,
try one of the rear usb ports.

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Roger Cain  
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 More options Jul 17, 1:26 am
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From: "Roger Cain" <rogernos...@nospamrcain.plus.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:26:07 +0100
Local: Sat, Jul 17 2010 1:26 am
Subject: Re: Freecom Classic HDD

"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_new...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

news:xn0gwphs3fgnxx008@news.individual.net...

> On 16/07/2010 in message
> <6t6dnZn6cfbQ4N3RnZ2dnUVZ8iqdn...@brightview.co.uk> Roger Cain wrote:

>>Works fine on one PC but doesn't spin up (just ticks) and is not
>>recognised on the other. The indicator LED flashes.

>>Anyone know what this is trying to tell me, please?

> Is this powered by the USB cable or does it have its own power?

It has a 12v wall-wart (for the HD motor I guess) which is delivering 12v by
meter. There is also the 5v USB supply which I assume is used by the mini
controller in the Freecom unit.

I have just metered the USB supply which looks more like 4.7v. The
motherboard shows its 5v bus as 4.4v (!). Current theory is that the PC PSU
may be delivering a "5v" supply to the USB which is too below threshold for
it to function. Will investigate Seatronics PSU to see if this can be
corrected.


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Roger Cain  
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 More options Jul 17, 1:28 am
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From: "Roger Cain" <rogernos...@nospamrcain.plus.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:28:42 +0100
Local: Sat, Jul 17 2010 1:28 am
Subject: Re: Freecom Classic HDD

"Dean" <d...@spamfree.com> wrote in message

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> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:39:49 +0100, Roger Cain wrote:

>>Works fine on one PC but doesn't spin up (just ticks) and is not
>>recognised
>>on the other. The indicator LED flashes.

>>Anyone know what this is trying to tell me, please?

> If it is drawing its power solely from usb perhaps it isn't getting enough
> juice from the second pc.  Is it attached to a front panel usb port?  If
> so,
> try one of the rear usb ports.

See above. I have used built-in ports and those on a PCI board. Looks like
my PC PSU may be too far below spec. to satisfy the Freecom logic board.

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Mike Tomlinson  
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 More options Jul 17, 9:16 am
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From: Mike Tomlinson <m...@jasper.org.uk>
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:16:52 +0100
Local: Sat, Jul 17 2010 9:16 am
Subject: Re: Freecom Classic HDD
In article <6t6dnZn6cfbQ4N3RnZ2dnUVZ8iqdn...@brightview.co.uk>, Roger
Cain <rogernos...@nospamrcain.plus.com> writes

>Works fine on one PC but doesn't spin up (just ticks) and is not recognised
>on the other. The indicator LED flashes.

I have both Freecom Toughdrive 160GB and MobileDrive XXS 400GB.  The 160
has a converter board, the 400 has a direct USB connection on its board
(there's no interposing logic board).

Both are picky about USB ports.  Using any extension cable at all (even
the bit of cable from the board to the front panel) makes the drives
misbehave, but more usually I see things like Delayed Write errors in
Windows and can hear the drive spinning up and down.

If they are plugged into a rear (motherboard) USB port they are ok.

>Anyone know what this is trying to tell me, please?

Usually a constant clicking means the drive has died (it can't load its
firmware from the platters).  But I would make sure you try a few USB
ports to make sure it is not a power issue before condemning it.

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Rob Morley  
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 More options Jul 18, 9:11 pm
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From: Rob Morley <nos...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:11:33 +0100
Local: Sun, Jul 18 2010 9:11 pm
Subject: Re: Freecom Classic HDD
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:26:07 +0100

"Roger Cain" <rogernos...@nospamrcain.plus.com> wrote:
> I have just metered the USB supply which looks more like 4.7v.

That's only just out of range (4.75-5.25V) for USB - did you measure
with a load?

> The
> motherboard shows its 5v bus as 4.4v (!). Current theory is that the
> PC PSU may be delivering a "5v" supply to the USB which is too below
> threshold for it to function. Will investigate Seatronics PSU to see
> if this can be corrected.

Have you checked the condition of the PSU-to-mobo connectors?

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Johny B Good  
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 More options Jul 27, 8:47 pm
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From: "Johny B Good" <inva...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:47:52 +0100
Local: Tues, Jul 27 2010 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: Freecom Classic HDD

  I discovered a similar issue with an otherwise perfectly good 'brand new'  
Mercury 450W PSU I was using to power test setups on my workbench. Testing  
revealed a 0.3v drop between the psu case and the MoBo ground connections  
(no case bonding between MoBo and PSU in this setup to disguise the high  
resistance connection problem in the ground return wiring).

  I also saw a similar volt drop in the 5v line. In the end, I had to  
conclude the issue was due to bad crimping on the 20 way MoBo connector  
(the wires weren't the single strand type I'd expected, they were normal 7  
strand wires with no damage and good solder joints to the PSU board).

  Replacing the wiring harness taken from a scrapped PSU (I have a large  
stock ;-) sorted it out nicely. A little bit of a faff but I wasn't about  
to scrap a perfectly good 450W double fanned PSU for the sake of bad  
crimping on the connectors.

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Albert Ross  
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 More options Jul 30, 7:15 pm
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From: Albert Ross <spam@dev_null.com.invalid>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:15:58 +0100
Local: Fri, Jul 30 2010 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: Freecom Classic HDD
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:47:52 +0100, "Johny B Good"

<inva...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>  I discovered a similar issue with an otherwise perfectly good 'brand new'  
>Mercury 450W PSU I was using to power test setups on my workbench. Testing  
>revealed a 0.3v drop between the psu case and the MoBo ground connections  
>(no case bonding between MoBo and PSU in this setup to disguise the high  
>resistance connection problem in the ground return wiring).

My now fairly elderly Corsair is still pretty spot on, according to my
MOBO monitor

CPU     1.36v
DRAM    1.488v
3.3v    3.36v
12v     12.112v

pretty good eh?

When I finish rebuilding the other one I'll report on its Enermax, I'm
doing a spiderectomy

>  I also saw a similar volt drop in the 5v line. In the end, I had to  
>conclude the issue was due to bad crimping on the 20 way MoBo connector  
>(the wires weren't the single strand type I'd expected, they were normal 7  
>strand wires with no damage and good solder joints to the PSU board).

>  Replacing the wiring harness taken from a scrapped PSU (I have a large  
>stock ;-) sorted it out nicely. A little bit of a faff but I wasn't about  
>to scrap a perfectly good 450W double fanned PSU for the sake of bad  
>crimping on the connectors.

Crap connectors are a pain

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